hello SLAPPERS... i remember this really cool fucking skate brand called "hardtimes" that i really liked for a couple years and then come like 2012-13 they just faded away it seems like.. was tim upson too busy fishing or what? him and seber seemed to run it. seemed like a really good east coast antihero type deal, and a very nice team (where do you think pro skater Dee Ostrander came from?) also nick tyrrell, luke koch, j burton, kevin mallet, etc.. all killed hard